This morning I received a comment on a post saying that
Skyfall was mentioned on the Amazon U.K. site as one of the films to be
added. Out of curiosity I checked the
U.S. Amazon site to see if it said the same and found something else: they are
now shipping the 2013 hardcover edition of the book. This is despite the fact that they still say
it is not being published until October 1, 2013. I put in an order for it and I should get it
tomorrow. At the bottom of this post
I’ve included a direct link to this Amazon page for anyone else who is
interested in getting it. I don't know if bookstores would have it yet.
And by coincidence, later this morning I received an email
from Colby Mann, a person working his way through the list. He said he had received notice from Amazon
that his order of the book was going to ship.
He was letting me know. He also
pointed out that parts of the Table of Contents were visible on Amazon.
By comparing those parts to the 2012 edition’s Table of
Contents I was able to put together a partial list of the movies being added
and removed.
Here are those films:
I should first
caution that this is only a partial list and that it is preliminary. I’ve discovered errors in the Table of
Contents of prior editions. When I get
the physical book and am able to do a side by side, page by page comparison, I
will get a full list posted here. I
expect to have that up either late Thursday or early Friday.
Movies Being Added:
The Cabin in the Woods (2012) – the meta horror film
co-written by Joss Whedon
Consequences of Love (2004) – an Italian film
The Draughtsman’s Contract (1982) – a Greenaway film
The Eagle (1925) – stars Rudolph Valentino
Elephant (2003) – a Gus Van Sant film
The Exterminating Angel (1962) – a Bunuel film
F for Fake (1973) – an Orson Welles film
Field of Dreams (1989) – stars Kevin Costner
The Fiends (probably early 1950s) – I don’t know what this
film is yet.
Fireworks (aka Hana-Bi) (1997) – a Takeshi Kitano film
The Goddess (1934) – stars the Chinese actress who was the
subject of #856 Center Stage
The Great White Silence (1924) – a documentary on a South
Pole expedition
The Hired Hand (1973) – a Peter Fonda film
Les Miserables (2012) – the Oscar nominee
Life of Pi (2012) – the Oscar nominee
Limite (1931) – a Brazilian film
Lincoln (2012) – the Oscar nominee
Mary Poppins (1964) – classic starring Julie Andrews
Moolade (2004) – an Ousmane Sembene film (the man who did
Ceddo)
Mrs. Miniver (1942) – the Best Picture winner
Robocop (1987) – Another Verhoeven film for the list
Russian Ark (2002) – a re-add to the list – the only one I
noticed so far
Skyfall (2012) – the latest James Bond film
Some Came Running (1958) – a Rat Pack film
Summer With Monika (1953) – another Bergman film
I’ve spot checked and some of these are not available via
Netflix. When I do my post of the
complete list I will also include some analysis, which will include which ones
might be trouble tracking down.
Movies Being Removed:
1900
Drowning By Numbers
Five Deadly Venoms
The Ghost and Mrs. Muir
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
Hombre
Horror of Dracula
Housekeeping
Hugo
I Walked with a Zombie
Jacob’s Ladder
Judge Priest
La Chienne (The Bitch)
La Joven (The Young One)
La Vie En Rose
Landscape in the Mist
The Last Battle
Le Million
The Man Who Knew Too Much
Naked Lunch
The Official Story
Pi
Reversal of Fortune
Sabotage
Say Anything
Seven Brides for Seven Brothers
Seven Chances
Shadow of a Doubt
Spellbound
The Story of Women
The Stranger
Winter LightYou can now read my follow-up post on the definitive list of all changes made in this edition, by clicking on the link in this sentence.
Hardcover
I just spent about an hour running through the index of the book on Amazon. I found only 45 new films--46 if you count each of the Toy Story films separately. Shockingly, despite the television series on Sundance, The Dirty Dozen was not included. My guess is that this means a re-inclusion of previously cut films. I noticed, for instance Boogie Nights, which I think was cut from previous editions. Here are the 43 new ones I spotted:
ReplyDeleteThe Adventures of Prince Achmed
Amour
Argo
Bowling for Columbine
The Cabin in the Woods
Cave of Forgotten Dreams
Christ Stopped at Eboli
The Consequences of Love
Dead Ringers
The Devils
Distant Voices, Still Lives
Diva
Django Unchained
The Draughtsman's Contract
The Eagle
Elephant
The Exiles
The Exterminating Angel
F for Fake
Field of Dreams
The Fiends
Fireworks
The Goddess
The Great White Silence
The Hired Hand
Life of Pi
Limite
Lincoln
Local Hero
Mary Poppins
Les Miserables
Moolaade
Mrs. Miniver
Oklahoma
Osama
Peter Ibbetson
RoboCop
Skyfall
Sleeping Dogs (based on page number, the one from 1977)
Some Came Running
Summer with Monika
A Throw of the Dice
The Towering Inferno
The Toy Story Trilogy (adding 2 and 3)
Wake in Fright
It's worth noting that the index is riddled with errors, like a listing for "43rd Street" instead of "42nd Street" and placing Sherman's March as a war film instead of the documentary it is.
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DeleteThat should be 45 new films, not whatever numbers I have up there. Stupid, shoddy editing.
DeleteAlso, under further review, I forgot The Lady Vanishes. Additionally, you can cross off The Fiends--that is evidently the English title for Les Diaboliques.
I went back to the Amazon page and guess what? I got a different sent of Table of Contents pages. I was able to glean more changes from those, then I refreshed and got some more. I was not able to confirm whether Bowling for Columbine and A Throw of the Dice were listed in the Table of Contents, but counting those I now have a total of 49 new films (47 entries counting Toy Story as one) and 47 films (and entries) being removed. Those numbers balance.
Delete"It's worth noting that the index is riddled with errors"
So is the Table of Contents. That's why until I can see the actual book I won't be comfortable saying I have communicated out the real adds/removes.
I didn't see your latest comment before my reply. Adding The Lady Vanishes now gives me 50 new films, just like the Amazon blurb said, unless you are right about The Fiends (first I ever heard of that being an alternate name for Les Diaboliques. I've only ever seen Diabolique as the English alternate.) It looks like we might still have some ridiculous "translations" of some foreign language film titles.
DeleteI'm pretty sure I'm right on The Fiends being Les Diaboliques. They have the same page number, and I'm pretty sure that's either a one-page or a two-page entry.
DeleteI still only see 45/46 in terms of new films on the list. Five re-adds wouldn't shock me, with Boogie Nights and Russian Ark as two of them.
So sad, none of my hoped for titles made it to the list. Instead I am wondering what these people were thinking with some of their picks. At least there is now a Valentino film on the list. He deserves that credit, though I do not know the actual film. The Lady Vanishes would also be an interesting watch.
ReplyDeleteIf these hold then Safety Last ! didn't make it onto the list - one of the ones just about everybody is amazed wasn't there in the first place. So far I'm not that impressed with the ones I've already seen that they chose to add.
DeleteAgreed. Still no 28 Days Later, still no Inherit the Wind or The Caine Mutiny, still nothing from Aardman Entertainment (Wallace and Gromit), still no Ray Harryhausen...
DeleteI recently watched The Kid Brother, The Freshman, and Safety Last! Regardless of which Harold Lloyd picture is listed in the book, seeing one led me to watch the others. If I had to pick a favorite, I would probably choose The Freshman. But honestly, my book would include all three.
DeleteI'd rate the top three Lloyd films as Safety Last, The Freshman (love the bit where he's trying to keep the suit on at the dance), and Speedy. I honestly had never even heard of The Kid Brother before starting to actively work on the list. I liked the film, as I would expect I would any of Lloyd's, but when you think of the most iconic images in cinema history, Lloyd hanging off the clock in Safety Last is one of them. Even if it were not my favorite, its place in films would seem to merit a spot.
DeleteStopped by Barnes & Noble on the way home, and lo and behold, there was a copy of the new edition on the shelves, which I now hold in my hand (I was planning on picking up this as my second edition anyways, with the drastic overhaul the book reportedly underwent, and looking through it it is TOTALLY different, as I'm sure the page images on Amazon can attest to). I went through the whole thing, comparing it to my other edition (5th anniv.) and the big list on my site, and here's what I've got as the additions (I didn't look for what had been removed, as that deals with a bunch of other editions I do not have):
ReplyDeleteThe Great White Silence (1924)
The Eagle (1925)
The Adventures of Prince Achmed (1926) (fun fact; 1926 was previously the only year after 1920 that didn't have a list film)
A Throw of Dice (1929)
Limite (1931)
The Goddess (1934)
Peter Ibbertson (1935)
The Lady Vanishes (1938)
Mrs. Miniver (1942)
Summer with Monika (1953)
The Man with the Golden Arm (1955)
Oklahoma! (1955)
Some Came Running (1958)
The Exiles (1961)
The Exterminating Angel (1962)
Mary Poppins (1964)
The Devils (1971)
The Hired Hand (1971)
Wake in Fright (1971)
F for Fake (1973)
The Towering Inferno (1974)
Sleeping Dogs (1977)
Christ Stopped at Eboli (1979)
Diva (1981)
The Draughtsman's Contract (1982)
Local Hero (1983)
Wall Street (1987)
Dead Ringers (1988)
RoboCop (1988)
Distant Voices, Still Lives (1988)
Field of Dreams (1989)
Toy Story Trilogy (1995, 1999, 2010)
Hana-Bi (1997)
Bowling for Columbine (2002)
Elephant (2003)
Aileen Wuornos: The Life and Death of a Serial Killer (2003) (Yes, this is a different film than the 1993 one on the list; it appears to be the follow-up)
Osama (2003)
The Consequences of Love (2004)
Moolaade (2004)
Cave of Forgotten Dreams (2010)
The Cabin in the Woods (2011)
Les Miserables (2012)
Amour (2012)
Argo (2012)
Lincoln (2012)
Skyfall (2012)
Django Unchained (2012)
Life of Pi (2012)
Other changes I noticed: The Big Carnival is now labeled under its more well known title Ace in the Hole, and yes, The Fiends is the given English title for Les Diaboliques.
So yeah, not only did Safety Last! not make it, neither did Donnie Darko, which is what I consider to be the most egregious omission. And yeah, this appears to be even more of the director-favoritism that Chip attests the list indulges in, but oh well; NEW FILMS!!
I'll leave it to Chip to figure out what films were removed and all the other jazz he figures out for us; I just wanted to get this down for myself and for you guys.
That's 49 adds, counting the multiple Toy Story movies, so that means you've got a couple more than me from the Table of Contents. The Man with the Golden Arm is one I didn't have. I also didn't pick up on the new Aileen Wuornos movie. You didn't mention the re-additions of Russian Ark and Boogie Nights, which would put it to 51, so it looks like there are a couple more removals I didn't get from the Table of Contents, either.
DeleteI've seen both you and Steve list one movie as Peter "Ibbertson". If that's the way it is in the book they've created a new typo because the title is Peter "Ibbetson".
Yeah, in the book it's listed as Ibbertson, with an R. Also, there are a few other re-adds I caught; Gangs of New York is back, I know that one for sure, and technically all of the year 2002 that's in the new book are re-adds, including City of God and Hable con Ella.
DeleteAlso, some of the new entries have additional foreign titles listed that I didn't include; I can add those if you'd like. I'll probably go through my list and add the new titles in some point tonight or tomorrow.
Hey, I spelled it without the "r."
DeleteThat one confused me--I couldn't find it on IMDB and was a bit worried that it might be really obscure. So I did a check on Google and found the right spelling.
I'm planning on knocking out the online ones in the next 7-10 days just to get them done.
As for the re-adds, some of those may have been re-added in the previous volume. Not sure.
I'm surprised at the small number from 2012. I expected at least another half dozen--Beasts of the Southern Wild, The Master, Flight, Silver Linings Playbook...
Right now it looks like only 8 films from the most recent year made it. (Cabin in the Woods was a 2012 film, not 2011. If the book has 2011 that's wrong.)
DeleteThere are only two re-adds in the latest edition, according to the Table of Contents - Boogie Nights and Russian Ark.
@Adolytsi - I can't remember if you were one of the folks who wanted to keep things matching the books, even when the books were wrong. If not, I'd doublecheck every "new" title the latest edition has before updating anything. The whole "The Fiends" title for Les Diaboliques is a case in point. IMDB lists 26 alternate titles for this film. NOT ONE is "The Fiends". About the closest any of them get is a time when it got named "The Devils" for a U.S. TV broadcast, according to IMDB. The real English title for it is just Diabolique.
I just finished updating my own list, and yeah, I didn't add any of the new titles besides Ace in the Hole, and even then I put it next to The Big Carnival like the book used to have. All I did was add all the new entires as they're listed in the book; besides the Peter Ibbertson/Ibbetson discrepancy you pointed out, I haven't done any research as to whether the titles in the book are correct, but most of them are well-known English movies so I'm willing to trust the editors for the time being, though my hands are up in the air on the foreign films.
DeleteI believe I was for keeping things like they were in the book, but yeah, for extreme cases like that, we can do some proofreading/double-checking of our own. I assume you've got the new edition coming tomorrow or Friday, so you can do all the double-checking then; I just wanted to get the new titles out as soon as possible.
And like I said, I don't know too much about the re-adds, but I seem to recall Gangs of New York having been removed and never made it back, until now, but I might be wrong. That one was just the one that jumped off the page at me.
And yes, Cabin in the Woods is listed as a 2011 film, but its placement is at the end of the 2011 films, and right in front of the 2012 films, so no matter whether you have it as a 2011 or 2012 film, it'll still be in the same slot in the list, so to each their own how they want to list it.
The Cabin in the Woods will just be the latest in a long line of stupid errors that a few seconds of proofreading would have discovered. After going through all the editions I got a very strong feeling of "we're film critics; details are beneath us" whether it was bad titles, really bad indexes/tables of contents, wrong years, or even reviews with wrong plot points in them. I'd estimate I've fixed 10-15% of the years for the entries prior to this latest edition. One of the things I'll be looking at when I get the book tomorrow is whether they fixed a lot of these or not.
DeleteAnd if I understood Squish correctly, Cabin in the Woods will not end up right next to the 2012 entries. He mentioned having each year align with the latest book then having the removed entries for each year appear at the end of that year.
Ah; that's not how I have it. I have it as any new titles, regardless of when they are added, are added at the end of their year in the order they first appear in the book. The only "2011" film added to the list is Cabin in the Woods, which by that system will be listed at the end of 2011, after The Artist, and directly following it will be the new 2012 films. I'm assuming not everyone will be doing the same, if what you said about Squish is correct, but that's how I'm doing it.
DeleteI haven't figured how I'm going to do it yet, and at the moment, Squish has other problems on his site.
DeleteAccording to the Wikipedia entry, Les Diaboliques is also known as The Devils or The Fiends. That's good enough for me.
@Adolytsi - that's the system that has been in place, but there was no agreement on what it should be going forward other than "let's wait and see." Since Squish is the one with the club, with a lack of any consensus he will be the one who will unilaterally determine how he will number the new entries. He mentioned a desire to "start fresh" with the 10th edition and his idea for handling the removed entries was to have them at the end of each year. Had we gone with my plan The Cabin in the Woods would indeed appear in the list right above the new 2012 entries at the end of the entire list and all added films would be very easily identified.
Delete@Steve - You can call it The Fiends if you want, but you'll get a hell of a lot of blank stares. The sheer amount of confusion caused by that title just in these posts and comments is a small example. The name in English is Diabolique, so says IMDB and the Criterion DVD I own. Wikipedia is notorious for containing bad information since anybody can add anything. IMDB is controlled by Admins who work there who review submissions from users before applying any changes. For all we know, "The Fiends" was added to wikipedia as another title in response to the name appearing in this latest 1,001 Movies book, thus creating a circular reference.
@Both - I'm leaving all the movies numberless until I see what Squish comes up with for numbers. At that point I will apply them to my tracking sheet and the Books page on the wiki.
Oh, I'd never call it The Fiends. When I say "good enough for me," I mean that it's enough confirmation that the listing in the index is for the same film, especially since the page number is the same. I think it's ridiculous that they'd list an alternate title for a film that neither I nor anyone I know has called anything other than Les Diaboliques.
DeleteAs far as the reliability of Wikipedia...it's actually no worse than almost any other source. Yes, anyone can edit it, but people are also notoriously anal retentive about fixing bad information. While the "anyone can edit" policy is sometimes an issue, it's also remarkably self-policing. Bad reputation and all, it's generally solid for basic information.
@Steve - Okay, I was definitely misunderstanding you. Thanks for the clarification.
DeleteLook for an email soon with some good news in it...
The following films are on Hulu Plus:
ReplyDeleteThe Exterminating Angel
F for Fake
Field of Dreams
Summer with Monika
In my heart, Local Hero probably hold the number one spot and I'm awfully glad it is on or back on the list.
I saw Local Hero years ago and liked it quite a bit. I was surprised to find that Netflix does not offer it (more on that in my next post.)
DeleteThanks for the info on those films on Hulu Plus. There will be a couple of others also available on Hulu from the entire list. I am working on compiling the definitive updates for my coming post.
As has been previously stated, once a film has been in any edition once, it is on my to watch list. So whether a movie is a readdition or not isn't that important to me.
ReplyDeleteBut with the new list, it's also good to know I can rewatch Mary Poppins, The Towering Inferno and Oklahoma! with the 1001 Movie seal of approval!
And I won't even complain about the omission of Sling Blade, Day of Wrath, The Time Machine and The Killing.
Most people working on the list, including myself, focus on the entire thing, but I have had some people ask how they can get just the current list from my tracking sheet on my Lists from Chip site. I have a column that tracks all additions, removals, re-additions, re-removals, etc. for every entry.
DeleteYes. And I didn't mean that to sound like a criticism. I appreciate you going through the list.
DeleteI didn't take it as a criticism, but that you were at a loss as to why I might be tracking what gets removed. I do appreciate the follow-up, though. And I didn't intend my post to sound defensive. It was merely intending it to be informative.
DeleteAmazing list! You are organized and awesome. I just wish they would have replaced more animated features.
ReplyDeleteI would have replaced The Jungle Book and Dumbo with Beauty and the Beast and The Little Mermaid. Beauty and the Beast was the first animation to use computer animation (the ballroom scene). We studied The Little Mermaid a lot in one of my classes. In the '80s, the animation department at Disney was about be shut down. Their last effort was The Little Mermaid, to prove they deserved to stay. It's not the best animated feature ever, but it started the Disney Renaissance and revived the animation department. There would be no Beauty and the Beast or Toy Story or any Disney/Pixar film for that matter. In other words, I wouldn't have my job if it weren't for The Little Mermaid. So I hold it in high regard. Since it's not in this edition, I doubt it will be but I recommend everyone watch it.
Thank you.
DeleteThe only animated film they ever added to the list in any prior edition was WALL-E and they removed it the very next year. You can tell they don't think much of the genre over the classics that they originally chose. At least Toy Story 2 and 3 finally sort-of made it as part of the Trilogy entry.
That's a great case for the importance of The Little Mermaid. Thanks for sharing that.